Satyaki vs Karna according to Bori Mahabharata. But if we read BORI CE carefully , we can see some important narrations of Karna's digvijaya by Bhimshma, Dhritharashtra, Narada etc in more than over 7 places. Tell me the name of the weed you are on????? Girivraja was the capital of Magadha and is now in modern day Bihar. Watching tv shows and putting some irrelevant comments doesn't make any sense. Posted by Unknown … So what is the bravery in defeating them? Karna seiged Rajapura and killed most of the warriors of the Kambhoja clan. Karna (Sanskrit: कर्ण, IAST: Karṇa), also known as Vasusena, Anga-raja, and Radheya, is one of the major characters of the Hindu epic Mahābhārata. He tooks a nonsense oath towards unlawful Duryodhan and helped him for doing all sins. That’s why he is addressed as Sutaputra. Yeah right biased for the truth. And also Bhima was an all rounder thus the mahabharata describes his use of multiple different weapons. You should make Ann account on quora . Yet, he displays great valor, honor and selfless offering. This is the same country that was ruled by Janaka (the father of Sita from Ramayana). According to BORI, Draupadi was the only woman in our history who married multiple men. This is a big mismatch in the epic just like above paragraph that indicates lord Krishna himself failed in Swayamvara. There was no 'cheating' in the first 2 wars.. so Karna is definitely NOT stronger than Arjuna – ram Apr 4 '17 at 14:23 Karna did not believe in using immoral ploys to defeat the Pandavas; he believed in battle. Strange it may seem but Karna held a beef with the Gandharas too (Sakuni & Gandhari's tribe). When we talk about the Mahabharata, we fondly recall Lord Krishna, Arjuna, and Yudhisther. Karna in Mahabharat is depicted as one of the most complex characters. No "uchit uttar" lol. According to BORI Critical Edition, Karna was weaponless, chariotless and heedless, enaged in extracting wheel of chariot when Arjuna aimed Karna from backside and Shiva shot arrow in order to rectify unarmed target of Arjuna. Karna went to the roof of the world (the Himalayas) and conquered everyone who lived their. Quite biased statements only a desperate person can give to look down upon such a great character like Karna. with Shalya in the Karna Parva, it is found out that he considered the Gandharas an uncivilized people. 39) According to BORI CE, Karna conquering his fatigue is an interpolation because Karna was tired before final battle and Arjuna was exceedingly tired still Karna failed to defeat him. The Ramayana and the Mahabharata. Karna was the one of the culprit who insulted a woman in dice game where Pandavas were cheated by Durdodhyan and Sakuni. He never thought about what common people wants. if he did then he wouldn't need to come back to the same place that he already conquered (Matsya) and if it was a great achievement then karna would not be bashed for comparing himself to Arjuna. As per pandavas fanatics, Arjuna didn’t cheated Karna as per BORI … Maybe he will once you tell him who you are. Abduction of a kalinga princess, using force on her family and the maiden because she did not want Duryodhana. Rajapura was the capital of the Kamboja kingdom. Some say he conquered the world, others say he only conquered a few kingdoms, some say he conquered just second rate kings, others even say that Karna just defeated one king and then started to believe that he conquered the whole world. Although the term everyone may be an exaggeration made by Bhishma. DIGVIJAY OF KARNA – (BORI CE) This is the most awaited thread and finally posting on the demand of karnians. He conquered them in his digvijay, their is sufficient proof for this. A/C to BORI, the statement of vaisampayana in section-199 where he narrates about Yudhistira presenting an examples of 'Polyandry ' are an interpolations. In facts he was the greatest curse of the society. A celestial bow has many advantages over an ordinary bow which favoured Arjuna in many wars. Karna did not defeat any army called Narayani sena. Karna did not conquer Shalya and the Madra kingdom either. I guess Karna fans can be proud of this achievement. Some have in their blood to prove against mainstream facts. Karna is among the most popular and complex characters in the Mahabharata, showing both nobility and nastiness over the course of the story. Karna was a cheater, he being a human used "maya" to fight, Badmouthing the punjabi's (people of the country of five rivers. So he could be an interpolated character, nothing is told about him and he is only mentioned to make Karna look good. In fact, according to BORI, Drupada was a poor warrior who was not a worthy rival to Vrishasena, Duryodhana or Jayadratha, moreover, Drupada could never defeat a warrior in his life. According to BORI CE, Lord Krishna blaming Karna for varnavrat conspiracy in section-90 of karna parv is an interpolation. They were righteous people that never did anything bad to him. Karna did not conquer the world or earth. You asked Satyaki the blogger. I know i have that username, but you never asked me to make an account on quora. While according to Romesh C. Dutt's translation, Arjuna simply defeated Duryodhana while dodging the other warriors. 40) According to BORI CE, Arjuna predicting that the wives of Karna are going to be widows and Shri Krishna will see them as widows is an interpolation . Now, the defeats of Karna according to the original Mahabharata: 1- By gandharvas: 'O king! Analysis: So according to karna, bhima was a man that would never retreat from the battlefield as you karna fans claim that bhima retreated/fled from a weak man like karna. Yes, no doubt Arjuna was a great warrior who could be defeated by only a few exceptional warriors. During his famous conversation (flame war or debate?) Is there any evidence that Karna feared kichakas, did not fight jarasandh , did not go for war during Pandava's exile. By the way, somewhere I have read that Krishna married a daughter of Nagnajit. It's a big misconception that Arjuna killed Karna by cheating and by using unfair means but according to BORI CE which is the most authentic version of Vyasa Mahabharata, Arjuna killed Karna in a fair fight.All the references provided here are from Bibek Debroy translation of BORI CE Can you counter this argument??? But, Bhishma, Kripa, Shalya and Dhritarashtra narrate about the failures of Karna in the Virata War. Karna did not ever conquer Matsya kingdom. There you can shut all the mouths of Karna fans . So, Karna attacked Gandharas and not Gandharvas!!!! According to Manu Smriti, the people who have a Kshatriya father and Brahmin mother are of Suta caste (charioteer class) MUST READ: Different names of Karna in Mahabharat | Karna is not his original name Karna offering his wives to foot soldiers of his enemy's army. According to BORI Critical Edition, Karna was weaponless, chariotless and heedless, enaged in extracting wheel of chariot when Arjuna aimed Karna from backside and Shiva shot arrow in order to rectify unarmed target of Arjuna Kunti was granted the boon to bear a child with desired divine qualities from the gods without her knowledge, later upon … And what right did karna have to harm them (the pandavas) anyways? Well it has been FIVE MONTHS that is the equivalent of OVER 150 DAYS. Screenshot (to prove that "Madra" is in modern-day Punjab): Satyaki's achievements in the Mahabharata. Exhibiting both nobility and nastiness, this popular character was always by Duryodhana's side and opposed the pandavas in every way possible. - Karna and Arjuna are two valiant warriors, both important characters in the great Hindu epic, the … So Karna basically beat up a woman's father because his friend Duryodhana wanted her. "Karna was stronger" - Karna and Arjuna fought in 3 wars - first at Draupadi Swayamvara, then in Virata Parva, finally at Kurukshetra. The Varnavrata episode was the doing of Duryodhana. Here is some more information about them -. Infact nowhere it is written that karna regained his sense so losing sense is out of context. Because the conquest of Afghanistan is a feat that has only been repeated by Alexander the Great & Genghis Khan. Karna conquered the whole world REALLY? According to BORI Critical Edition, Karna never fell unconscious rather he was just stunned (amazed) Karna swooning episode is an interpolation as per BORI Critical Edition of mahabharata. According to B.Debroy translation of BORI CE, Kshtriya Karna failed to string bow in draupadi swayamvara contest in cross reference. The character we talk about the least is Karna - the ill-fated guy, the low-born king and the man who was accidentally cursed several times. And he, after a hard conflict, brought the hero under subjection, and, O best of monarchs, made Drupada contribute silver and gold and gems, and also pay tribute. 16. Karna or Arjuna: Who was the real hero of Mahabharata? BORI scholars after 50 years research found out that the statement of lord krishna was interpolation to justify unfair death of Karna Conclusion : Karna … Everything else is fake. BORI says karna never fell unconscious. Karna was scared of Kichaka's brothers and he feared Kichaka. Once, Chitrangada, the king of Kalinga, hosted a Swayamvara (self-choice marriage ceremony) for his daughter Bhanumati. In KMG there are two narratives which are used by Karna fans to prove that Karna had defeated Bhagadatta in his conquest.The first narrative is of the Vana Parva where the Digvijaya of Karna is described.But according to BORI the whole description of Digvijaya of Karna is an interpolation.BORI clearly removed that section where the Digvijaya of Karna is described. Karna was only absent for 10 days. But you didn't respond for 150 DAYS. Not even in a single battle he was able to defeat Arjuna. He also says the most important king defeated by Karna is Nagnajit. His only ambition was to prove himself as a greatest warrior. He must be punished. FAIR DEATH OF KARNA BY ARJUNA. According to BORI Critical Edition, Karna never fell unconscious rather he was just stunned (amazed) Karna swooning episode is an interpolation as per BORI Critical Edition of mahabharata. We bring you 10 lesser known stories about the ‘suryaputra’, … Karna plotted to murder the Pandavas in their childhood, prior to the introduction of Kripa (by vaisampayana). Being thus oppressed by a great army, they were frightened. Biased arguments. I only trust two sources. Moreover, he killed Shakuni's father!! 15. Since many people have doubts about Satyaki's capability's and use Bori Mahabharata as an excuse making statements like it removed all of Satyaki's achievements etc, i am going to make this post with proof and screenshots from the text of Bori … So he did not avenge his ghosha yatra defeat. But is it not odd that the same Magadha who's previous lord (Jarasandha) was defeated by Karna long ago is now engaging in a second conflict with Karna? He was a great servent but not great warrior. Karna fans don't like this because a lot of slokas related to Karna have been removed in this edition.But the fact is,all those slokas were interpolations.BORI has referred thousands of Manuscripts, those slokas must be present only in few manuscripts and were not there in others or perhaps they had some contradictory slokas in other manuscripts.This is the reason why those slokas … They were people who are skilled in warfare, they were mountaineers, and lived in the Himalayas protected by fortresses. But unlike the author who demeaned the second greatest KURU after Bhisma, I won't demean Arjuna. A username like "Unknown" is not good. The BORI scholars have concluded that he was not. Karna did not fight any Gandharvas in his campaign. He just supported the cruel Duryodhan with out raising a question. karna was smuggling women from magadha into anga, False not a drop of truth read bori CE u are manipulating facts it's opposite of what you say which is written in bori CE. Moreover, Karna seldom used the invincible Vijay Dhanush except for his final duel with Arjuna while the latter used Gandhiva throughout his life. Not to mention the Pandavas themselves. And don't forget that the text says both of them brought the maiden with "them" meaning karna also touched the maiden and must have offended her. The evil sins of Karna according to Bori Critical Edition. The entire article is about "I think, I presume,....." Best example of weed damaging brain cells completely, Yudhisthir told Arjuna before the final war that Karna can conquer the three worlds with ease. Exactly like the advocates of persons like KASAAB OF PAKISTAN. Karna your dad and i am your biggest dad.... Karna jealousy person the pandavas are all there for you You remain happy by creating your own fake story, https://logicastra.blogspot.com/2017/05/karna-vs-satyaki.html, Karna's digvijaya as per BORI Mahabharata. Period. Does it make any sense? Karna's Digvijaya according to BORI Critical Edition Mahabharata. So Dharma was a clear winner and hope you support Dharma as well. Instead he only conquered the tribe of Gandharas (the people that lived in the kingdom of "Gandhar", Sakuni's people). If adharma has won in Mahabharata, you wouldn't be using your gadget and typing some stupid comments here. I think it's mentioned in the Bhagavatham and possibly some puranas too. Unknown king only mentioned twice, by Shalya and Bhishma. But, other versions of the Mahabharata such as Jaimini Bharata or Kumara Vyasa Mahabharata do not mention the event. According to BORI Critical Edition of Mahabharatha, Karna's Digvijaya is an interpolation.BORI removed it from Vana Parva in their Critical Edition of Mahabharatha. According to BORI CE, hypocrite reporter vaisampayana has skipped the ‘Digvijay Conquest’ of Karna during live telecast of reporting. Yudhisthir never lied in this life except for once, If Lord Krishna didn't save the mighty Arjuna from Nagastra by lowering the chariot, then you won't be debating also about the might of Karna. Karna only conquered Videha, Nagnajit, Gandhara, Ambhasta, Kamvoja etc. go read mahabharath.It was'nt even a naagastra. That Karna was racist towards Gandharas. That too when talking to Karna. It was not just a war between stars of your choice. KMG text: "Karna that foremost of all wielders of the bow went to where the bow was, and QUICKLY RAISING IT AND STRUNG IT and placed the arrows on the string. That includes Harivamsa and Srimad Bhagawatam and the Puranas. ". However they were divided into many groups Bhagadatta was just one of their 8 (eight) kings. UNFAIR DEATH OF KARNA FROM BORI CRITICAL EDITION Its time to expose another misconception spreaded by Pandavas fanatics. And then there are the Kauravas, the bad guys. Perhaps he is the one who killed Sakuni's father (Soubala). I'm surprised Krishna enver chose to challenge him or even speak about this incident. Videha has a capital called Mithila. Karna plotted to murder the Pandavas in their childhood, prior to the introduction of Kripa (by vaisampayana). According to the Grand-sire only 5 wars were won by Karna (in the Digvijaya). Analysis: According to BORI Karna never defeated any Gandharva in his life. These people lived in Lahore (modern day Pakistan) lol. धर्मो रक्षति रक्षितः ।. Duryodhana performed a sacrifice that only Vishnu ever performed. This means in secrecy, and it is basically the same definition as before for the noun. This leads me to doubt that Karna even defeated Jarasandha then. Karna in Mahabharat is depicted as one of the most complex characters. Karna was involved in a conspiracy to kill the Drupad his daughter's Swayamvara. After all you should realize that Mahabharata war was between Dharma and Adharma in which mighty warriors like BHISMA and Dronacharya who didn't used any divyastras were also defeated and sacrificed their lives(Even Arjuna didn't used his Divine weapons to avoid huge destruction on Earth but where Karna has used Vasavi shakti and Nagastra). They were kind of like the Indian version of mongols and Huns. It's a big misconception that Arjuna killed Karna by cheating and by using unfair means but according to BORI CE which is the most authentic version of Vyasa Mahabharata, Arjuna killed Karna in a fair fight.All the references provided here are from Bibek Debroy translation of BORI CE Most reporters (Shalya & Bhishma the only unbiased ones) agree that Karna only defeated 5 opponents. they are equivalent to Mrityunjaya. Go get some life kiddo, "You were present in the Kurukshetra and watching lord Sri Krishna lowering the chariot". Definition of the word "plots" (from a google search). Very interesting. Funny that all the compliment is either political move or exaggeration from the PERSPECTIVE of author. Infact nowhere it is written that karna regained his sense so losing sense is out of context. People say that the critical edition (BORI) … But the role of Karna’s in the Mahabharata is important all the same. He never protested Durdodhyan in all cheating. Quote: " Then Duryodhana, Karna and Subala’s son Shakuni tried many other means to kill the Pandavas. And beholding the son of Surya--Karna of the Suta tribe--like unto fire, or Soma, or Surya himself, resolved to shoot the mark, those foremost of bowmen--the sons of Pandu--regarded the mark as already shot and brought down upon the ground. Analysis: Note that "all the kings" would include the princess's father. Karna never defeated any Nishadas in his digvijay. The same country that has been defeated by India in many wars. The Kamvojas lived in the hindu kush mountains (modern day Afghanistan). Just removing the letter "v" was enough to change the identity of karna's victims. The evil sins of Karna according to Bori Critical ... Karna conspired to kill the Pandavas after the defeat of Drupada and before the burning of the lac house. "Then, O bull among the Bharatas, that mighty bowman, Karna, surrounded by a large army, besieged the beautiful city of Drupada. In Drona Parva this is how they are described. FAIR DEATH OF KARNA BY ARJUNA. On Duryodhana’s behalf, Karna led an expedition there. I'm surprised but all these are indeed true according to BORI.C.E.Check the references. Why would Karna have to defeat the same dynasty twice? So i guess we can give Karna some props for this. Fact check... Analyzing Karna's performance in the Kurukshetra war. Karna is the adopted son of a charioteer (Adhiratha), who is of Suta or Souta caste. Sale Ban hi pada rah Videshi hokar indian bolta hai apne aap ko chutiye. 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