Next Last. Joined Jan 11, 2009 Messages 6,935 Location montana. Danke und Gruß Absehen 4 . Nur in Europa war bis vor einigen Jahren das 7×64 noch beliebter. You won’t see that with a .308. With the .308, you can go to 180 grain. 7mm-08 vs 270, some thoughts. 1 of 2 Go to page. I have been using the Nosler Ballistic tip 140gr. Re: Entscheidungshilfe zwischen 270 oder 300 wsm. We offer a 100% Authenticity Guarantee on all products sold on our website. I will first tell of my desires and inventory, then go on to my question. Just remember that w/ the .270, you're pretty much limited to 140grain bullets. We have a variety of deals on Rifle Ammo, Handgun Ammo, Shotgun Ammo & Rimfire Ammo, as well as ammo for target practice, plinking, hunting, or shooting competitions. You can take elk w/ a .270, but … Mag., 7×64 und 8×57 IS brachte in Bezug auf die Augenblickswirkung keinen Favoriten hervor. Try all factory ammo till you find what your rifle likes. With the .308, you can go to 180 grain. The 270 is a bit flatter....would it make a difference to take either one?/ Thanks. We offer cheap ammo and bulk ammo deals on the most popular ammo calibers. Dez 2010, 10:11. I took his post to mean the .270 WSM would be his general purpose hunting rifle and the Savage .308 was set up for long range. Go. Jul 7, 2016 #2 M. mtmuley Well-known member. Any one of them will do 90% of what any other of them will do. That is to say, .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum bullets travel 3.7 times the speed of a 737 airplane at cruising speed, while .308 … Mitglied seit 29 Aug … Please click the above links to take a look at all of the .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum and .308 Winchester ammo we have in stock and ready to ship, and let us know any parting thoughts in the comment section below. Just remember that w/ the .270, you're pretty much limited to 140grain bullets. As such, the following is for comparative information purposes only and should not be used to make precise predictions of the trajectory, performance, or true ballistics of any particular .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum or .308 Winchester rounds for hunting, target shooting, plinking, or any other usage. Plus it's a heck of alot cheaper to shoot which could mean more practice at the range and easier on the shoulder. Both cartridges have the same .473″ rim diameter. the 270 WSM starts out at 3000 fps while the 308 is barely above 2500 For energy the 270 starts out at 3100 while the 308 delivers 2650. Below you can see the differences between the 325 Winchester Magnum and the .338 Winchester Short Magnum in terms of external dimensions. JavaScript is disabled. Besonders Gebirgsjäger und Steppenjäger schätzen die Qualitäten dieses Kalibers, das optimal auf Gams, Wildschaf und Berghirsch bis 170 kg wirkt. stalkingbear: 05-04-2009 05:53 AM: RE: 270wsm vs 308?? For what you're describing, any of the .30-06, .308, 7mm mag or .270 along with their ballistic twins like the .270 WSM would be fine. With bullets of 130 to 140 grains, the .270 WSM will buy you between 150 and 200 additional feet per second of velocity. The difference is not, however, extraordinarily dramatic. 7x64 vs. 270 -> 7x64 schießt etwas schwerere Geschosse mit etwas langsamerer Geschwindigkeit ab. However, the .308 has a slightly steeper shoulder angle (20 degrees vs 17.5 degrees). Two rifles that are known to compete against each other. Go. Comments have to be approved before showing up, © 2021 Foundry Outdoors - All Rights Reserved, Product successfully added to your Shopping Cart, 223 WSSM Winchester Super Short Magnum Ammo, 243 WSSM Winchester Super Short Magnum Ammo, 25 WSSM Winchester Super Short Magnum Ammo, 300 RSAUM Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum Ammo, 7mm RSAUM Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum Ammo, .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum vs .308 Winchester Ammo Comparison - Ballistics Info & Chart. Thread starter ATX762; Start date Jul 21, 2017; 1; 2; Next. Die .270 Win ist nach der .308 und 30-06 das weltweit verbreitetste Kaliber. Nasty recoil? You must log in or register to reply here. If your hunting doesn't require the larger bullet-size the .308 affords, then the .270WSM will have flatter long-range ballistics. The .270 is fitted with a .277″ diameter bullet. Violate this principle by, for example, chambering a lightweight, short action rifle for a powerful Magnum cartridge like the .300 WSM and the result will be a dramatic increase in kick. Within a couple of hours his entire shoulder was bruised and looked like someone had hit him with a baseball bat. The VAST majority of my deer have been killed with a 100 gr bullet of one variety or another from a .243 that I have since passed down to my nephew. Hallo Lutz, für meine 270 WSM kaufte ich vor zwei Monaten 200 270 Geschosse. Thank you! Weiter 270 WSM Kegel vergrößert L 6. You can see that the .270 is a much longer and skinnier cartridge than the .308. . Die Patrone ist sehr dick und Reihenmagazine bieten deshalb meist nur wenig Kapazität. It is a well known cartridge, capable of travelling long distances with lots of energy to knock down your intended target. Dann liegt meine maßhaltige Geschoß im mindesten Kegel an. Just like with the 270 WSM vs 270 Winchester, 7mm WSM vs 7mm Rem Mag, and 300 WSM vs 300 Win Mag, the .338 Win Mag is significantly longer than the 325 WSM. .308 Win Beiträge: 322 Registriert: So 1. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum vs .308 Winchester ammo rounds. Thing is, IMHO, premium .308 rounds (Federal Premium & others) really make the .308 adequate for elk-size game. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. With a 35˚ shoulder, and a 2.100″ case—the same as the .308 Winchester—the .270 WSM performs as advertised, giving a 200-250 fps advantage over its older sibling. Generally speaking, the higher the muzzle energy, the higher the stopping power. Jan 2012, 16:48. 22 Jun 2005 #2. Just because it can be done does not mean it makes sense, despite what you might read in advertising copy. Furthermore, the muzzle energy of a .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum round averages out to 3170 ft-lb, while a .308 Winchester round averages out to about 2620 ft-lb. In Nordamerika war es sehr bald als d… Jul 7, 2016 #3 Southern Elk Well-known member. We’ll start with the .308 Winchester. The .270 WSM, as I mentioned, does generate better ballistics than the old .270. Re: .270 Win vs. .308 - sinnvolles Kaliber? Please email us if you have questions about any of our product listings. Its fantastic at any range against deer, has excellent trajectory and devestating terminal ballistics. They are pretty much the same cartridge. Jul 21, 2017 #1 A. ATX762 Senior Member. True .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum and .308 Winchester ballistics information can vary widely from the displayed information, and it is important to understand that the particular characteristics of a given round can make a substantive difference in its true performance. I don't load or reload so I need advice on ammo I can buy off the shelf. Thread starter jmustard; Start date Apr 20, 2018; 1; 2; Next. I don't think any struck game animal would notice the difference, but in the 6.5 Creedmoor versus 270 Winchester velocity and energy races, the Winchester still wins.As for the Creedmoor's celebrated ability to resist wind deflection, the superior .625 B.C. Pushing a 150-grain bullet to 3250 fps, the .270 WSM certainly earns the Magnum title, but at what cost? The 7mm-08 case is just slightly longer than the parent .308—2.035 inches vs. 2.015 inches—but maintains the same 20-degree shoulder of the .308 Winchester. Not trying to make any ground-breaking statements here, but something occurred to me when I was chrono-ing some loads yesterday, which is that my short-action … Nosler vs Hornady for 270. Personally, I like the 7mm. How does it do against whitetail, pigs, etc. The ammo is uber-expensive... so what, I take maybe 5 deer a year and sight my rifle in once per season.. probably shoot less than 100 bullets annually. Our website lists special deals on 9mm Ammo, 10mm Ammo, 45-70 Ammo, 6.5 Creedmoor ammo, 300 Blackout Ammo, 10mm Ammo, 5.56 Ammo, Underwood Ammo, Buffalo Bore Ammo and more special deals on bulk ammo. Nach oben. To put this into perspective, a Boeing 737 commercial airliner travels at a cruising speed of 600 mph, or 880 fps. capreolus. Ein Nachteil hat die .270 WSM jedoch, welchen ich hier nicht verschweigen möchte. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, or jacketing type. The .308 commonly has a 150 to 180 grain range. Hey I am sure there will be numerous answers and opinions but thats exactly what I'm looking for!! I am shooting a Tikka 270. Sirmarduk.50 BMG Beiträge: 672 Registriert: Mo 27. A tack driving .308 equipped with a ballistic retcile or an average .270 WSM with a standard scope? So a .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum round exits the barrel with kinetic energy equal to the energy required for linear vertical displacement of 3170 pounds through a one foot distance, while a .308 Winchester round exiting the barrel has energy equal to the amount required to displace 2620 pounds over the same one foot distance. So a .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum round exits the barrel with kinetic energy equal to the energy required for linear vertical displacement of 3170 pounds through a one foot distance, while a .300 Winchester Magnum round exiting the barrel has energy equal to the amount required to displace 3520 pounds over the same one foot distance. To put this into perspective, a Boeing 737 commercial airliner travels at a cruising speed of 600 mph, or 880 fps. Joined May 28, 2017 Messages 36. I would suggest reconsidering the need for long-range hunting (above 400 m / 450 yards). 270wsm vs 308?? mtmuley . This round was originally brought to be in the form of the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge, but Winchester commercially produced and sold it as the .308 Winchester. The BLR has a hammer on it that I've had slip on me. Der Vergleich der .270 Win., .308 Win., .30-06, .300 Win. Dabei kamen wir zu dem Ergebnis, dass die durchschnittliche Schussdistanz auf Ansitz, Pirsch und Drückjagd bei 78 Meter und das durchschnittliche Wildbretgewicht bei 34 Kilogramm lag. As illustrated in the chart, .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 3240 feet per second (fps) while .308 Winchester rounds travel at a velocity of 2680 fps. Beitrag von Sirmarduk » Fr 31. In Österreich wurde die .270 Win schon früher eingeführt, nachdem dort vor allem die 6,5×57 verbreitet war. Feb 2017, 09:16 Hallo Zeusentlein, ich bin zwar kein Jäger, habe aber mehrere Jäger in meiner Bekanntschaft und unterstütze diese bei Ihrer Wiederladerei und bekomme daher auch die Ergebnisse auf direktem Wege mit. The decision for which round is better for a given application should be made with complete information, and this article simply serves as a comparative guide, not the final say. Have you found it to be as flat shooting as advertised? For me, that choice was the .300 RUM (Rem Long Action UltraMag). As a rule of thumb, when it comes to hunting, muzzle energy is what many hunters look at when deciding on what caliber of firearm / ammunition to select. Beitrag von lüftl » Fr 10. Like the .270 Weatherby Magnum—released 60 years prior to the .270 WSM—it betters the velocity of the .270 Winchester, but … From the data I have here, it appears the .270 WSM only has a 80-100 fps lead on the standard .270 which means it is at best only going to extend your shootable distance 25 yards or so. Anybody have any experience with the .270 WSM? 1 of 2 Go to page. For more detailed ballistics information please refer to the exact round in question or contact the manufacturer for the pertinent information. Similar knockdown power as the .270 with a … I managed to cook off a round while I was setting up under a tree one morning when I was in college. The end of this Season 270 vs 308. One way to think about this is as such: a foot-pound is a unit of energy equal to the amount of energy required to raise a weight of one pound a distance of one foot. That is to say, .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum bullets travel 3.7 times the speed of a 737 airplane at cruising speed, while .308 Winchester bullets travel 3 times that same speed. Again, the above is for comparative information purposes only, and you should consult the exact ballistics for the particular .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum or .308 Winchester cartridge you're looking at purchasing. While a gun and the ammunition may be capable of sub-MOA accuracy, real-life hunting is not like shooting on a shooting stand. Arms24 OnlineShop | Jagd Sportschiessen Wiederladen Roll out to 500 yards and the 270 WSM … Dez 2010, 14:51 Die 270 ist eine Weiterentwicklung der .30-06 stimmt. If you're going to shoot game at long ranges then you're going to have to shoot a lot to do it ethically. Die Idee für diesen Artikel kam uns übrigens beim Lesen eines Jagdtagebuchs. For this reason, the .270 Winchester is used in standard/long action rifles, while the .308 Winchester is the poster child for short action rifles. Thing is, IMHO, premium .308 rounds (Federal Premium & others) really make the .308 adequate for elk-size game. Wenn man eine .270 WSM "zähmen" möchte, um sie auch für den Gebrauch auf schwaches Wild oder auf kurze Distanzen brauchbar zu machen, empfehle ich die Norma Oryx oder andere härtere Geschosse. )und wenn mit welchen Geschossen. If your hunting doesn't require the larger bullet-size the .308 affords, then the .270WSM will have flatter long-range ballistics. Wildarten: sämtliches Schalenwild Schließlich würde ich gerne wissen, welche ZFR-Montage empfehlenswert ist. of that 143-grain bullet certainly manages that. As illustrated in the chart, .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 3240 feet per second (fps) while .308 Winchester rounds travel at a velocity of 2680 fps. IF... white-tail is all you ever want to shoot with it. Dort wurde zu jedem Jagderlebnis Schussentfernung, Fluchtdistanz, Wildbretgewicht & Co. notiert. The 308 will have 3 lbs less recoil with a 150grn and still less with the 180. Foundry Outdoors is your trusted home for buying archery, camping, fishing, hunting, shooting sports, and outdoor gear online. Die Kaliber wiesen bei Schüssen auf Haupt, Träger, Blatt und Kammer ähnliche Ergebnisse bezüglich der Fluchtdistanz auf. You can take elk w/ a .270, but precise bullet placement becomes much more critical than in larger rounds. Joined Jun 30, 2017 Messages 115 Location Austin, TX. Hier Norma .270 WSM 8,42g - 130grs Nosler Ballistic Tip Büchsenmunition kaufen ! 325 WSM vs 338 Win Mag. I feel the .308 has noticeably more recoil than a .243 or a 25-06 and far prefer the 25-06 for most shooting. Du gibst jetzt die 6805 WSM Setztiefe im Netzplatz mit 69,3 mm an. I would appreciate any advice on .270 WSM ammo for elk hunting. The 7mm-08 vs .308 argument is a newer one, relative to some other cartridge arguments that have now been raging for nearly a century, in the hunting and shooting world, as the 7mm-08 was introduced in the 1980’s. So it is 6 one, half-dozen the other. The ballistics crap all over any .270, as well as any other .300 magnum on the market... winchester, weatherby, short-action smort-action. Bei Schüssen auf Haupt und Träger lagen die Sauen im Knall. Apr 20, 2018 #1 J. jmustard Member. These diameters play a role in the weight of the bullets that are used by the two cartridges and in other performance specs that we will look at later in the article. LM: Ja. I can take my X-bolt 270wsm or my remington XCR tactical on my combo elk/bear hunt this fall, the 140gr accubond is moving 3000 fps with 2900 ft lbsversus 308 169 Grain TTSX @2600fps and 2600ft lbs energy. 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